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September 27, 2009 at 6:34 pm #2511
I made no such assumption. I do not agree with all the tax rebates and penalties, as I do not agree with all the goals these rebates and penalties are designed to reach. That said, tax rebates and penalties are an economical way to signal and drive tax payers towards decisions which have been defined as better for society. Flat taxes fails to do this. The Flat tax assumes that every legal decision is equivalent in the eyes of society and your fellow citizen. This is false.
It is believed to be in society’s interest to provide assistance to parents, or to create an incentive to be a parent, so there’s a tax deduction for children. So far so good. Where I disagree is that deduction should stop at 2 children. More than 2 children should come with a tax penalty.September 27, 2009 at 9:28 pm #2512The flat tax makes the spending and collecting of taxes somewhat more a level of higher accountability. I fail to see your explanation being more than a confusing level of smoke and mirrors. The flat tax requires some responsibility and maybe for some folks to understand they must be accountable for their actions. Much money is wasted on programs that do nothing for the good of society even though some of the do gooders who think everyone thinks like them will use the money wisely. Not so. Frankly we need to become a country of responsible people taking care of their own responsibilities.There will be poor people. Maybe not as many if we can learn to teach others of their personal responsibilities.Those who are poor we will take care of.It can’t be 100 million people though. Those are wasted entitlements. Social security and pensions are NOT entitlements as some would have us believe. Time to straighten out this thinking and the country as a whole. As for your comment on children..well Chairman Mao had a plan……………..September 27, 2009 at 11:39 pm #2513Bermuda BobParticipant
It is believed to be in society’s interest to provide assistance to parents, or to create an incentive to be a parent, so there’s a tax deduction for children. So far so good. Where I disagree is that deduction should stop at 2 children. More than 2 children should come with a tax penalty.
I agree with you, but it automatically alienates you from the Catholic Church !!!September 28, 2009 at 1:25 am #2514
The Chinese require families to have one child (with various exceptions), and I have read have forced women to abort fetuses after the first. Do I need to really explain how this differs from the American style of incentives and penalties where you have a choice?
You expect people to be responsible, to know when their decisions effect other people and to plan accordingly? Good luck with that. How would anyone ever know what "responsible" is?
People are mostly stupid except for that small area of the universe in which they live their lives day to day. How is Joe the Plumber to know that his gasoline is imported from bad people and that he should buy an efficient vehicle (tax penalty on gas and engine size would be nice, tax rebate on hybrid), or live closer to work (deduction for moving within 5 miles of workplace), or for training a welfare recipient (grant), or to buy a car or appliance to get industry moving again (rebates) whatever, or to send his kid to college (tuition deduction).
By all means, if you want simplicity, use the 1040 EZ form.September 28, 2009 at 2:18 am #2515mookieMember
Well, regarding blue laws, my point may have been lost a bit. There is no denying the benifit of taking one day and slowing down. Spending time with family, loved ones. Stopping to smell the roses if you will. Run a poll and I am sure this is a winning issue for your future candidacy. My point was more along the lines of protecting freedom. I am sure you are well aware, many an onerous regulation comes not from congress or our Presedent but from one of these alphabet soup agencies, such as the EPA, NEA, OSHA, CPSA, FDA. These folks are not elected at all. Congress often votes to have these folks regulate an industry and do the dirty work and wash their hands of the whole ordeal. (Before you all jump down my throat I will admit that these agencys have done some good). Our country has always stood for freedom. As it stands I can spend Sundays, Saturdays, Thursday afternoons and any other day as I see fit. I am free right now to observe my own "Blue Laws". I am free to tell my neighbors what a difference this has made in my life. I can influence them by inviting them over and we can observe my families "Blue Laws" together. One of the prices of freedom however is the toleration of imperfections. It is obvious that not everyone believes we should slow down on Sunday. I can live with that. The more of these types of issues, these "imperfections" we allow the government to "solve", the more problems that are created, the more freedoms we lose. They or any of these agencies may pass some regulation that I may agree with, or even benefits me. For example, the Appliance Clunkers bill could benefit our industry, the company I work for and for me personally. There is always a cost. More "solutions" which cause more problems which lead to more "solutions", costing more money and greater losses of freedom to live my life as I see fit rather than as some presumptuous elite dictates. If you think the government should do something about anything that ticks you off or anything that you want but don’t currently have then you can watch your freedom slowly erode. Myself, I’ll take the imperfections of Freedom. There are plenty of organizations in my community, city and state outside of the government that can be a good influence on society. The nice thing about those organizations are that they can not take my money, affect my cost of doing business or regulate my lifstyle without me choosing to join them.September 28, 2009 at 2:57 pm #2517So you think that the same cross section of people you call stupid who work for the government know what is best for me ? I think not!!!! As for China and that example,that seems to be the direction you want to get to.As for where things come from ,don’t overthink everything like all liberals have a habit of doing. Control your own life. We have never had any input into the energy policies of any country nor will we ever.You seem to think the government has all the answers. You say I am off the rails ? Come on my friend.September 28, 2009 at 4:14 pm #2519
My comment is no more evidence that I want forced abortion, than yours is that you want every woman pregant for 25 years.
Find those rails Stallion!!
Government may not know what is best for an individual in some issues. They are supposed to know what is best for the general public and society as a whole.September 28, 2009 at 4:26 pm #2520Somewhat fiesty today huh ? Your mindset is control, mine the freedom to think for one’s self. You have said that people are for the most part stupid so someone must think for them. Most dictatorships think the same way.Government these days outside of discrimination laws and laws to keep the public orderly have no idea what is good for society. By your comments , you are certainly not a person who accepts a free society or as free as one can be.You are now on the no fly list !!!!September 28, 2009 at 4:34 pm #2522
Again? I just got off that bloody list!September 28, 2009 at 4:47 pm #2523Better get some hiking boots !!!! Maybe a walk through the country and you may find some intelligent people once you get further west.
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