EPA to Start Regulating CO2 Emissions
Submitted by advisor on Thu, 10/01/2009 - 10:27am.
The Obama administration has released the EPA to start regulating the emissions of green house gases. The new rules will effect new power plants, major industrial plants, and older power plant undergoing major retrofits, and would require the use of state of the art CO2 reduction technology.
The door was opened for this regulatory option when the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the EPA could regulate CO2 gas. It is believed, with good reason, that the EPA has started the process to apply pressure to congress to reach agreement on Climate Change legislation.
One imagines that this is a controlled volley from the EPA during the development of legislation, and that the EPA will release the dogs if congress is unable to write satisfactory legislation.
NY Times
Settled Science? and something for everyone.....
Quick, Quick act before someone proves us wrong!!!!! Here is a pretty good rebuttle. The study speaks for itself. Oh, in keeping with the new rules, How bout that new Viking stuff!www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m8d18-Carbon-Dioxide-irrelevant-in-climate-debate-says-MIT-Scientist
Still settled
This stuff is very much related to appliances. Have at it.
You said, "The Study Speaks for Itself", but in this case it did not. In this report, Diane Cotter spoke for the study, and that's not nearly enough.
First you are not likely qualified to understand the paper, nor am I, nor this Diane Cotter the author. Not trying to be insulting, it just is. Diane Cotter has characterized the results without a single quote from any other scientist, nor confirming work, nor an interview with Dr. Lindzen and until it is confirmed by his peers, it's just paper with ink.
It is at least problematic that the publication you mentioned seems 100% dedicated to warming denial. This is a big problem. Scientific journals don't take sides on science. If they do they aren't scientific journals. Reading the SPPI, you can see the problem. It is not a journal, it is just a pile of junk packaged in a sales spiel. Mooks, one would need independent scientific confirmation of any result to say there's anything here. Without that, nothing happened.
You should find that original Dr. Lindzen study, and see what his peers say in independent scientfic journals. There is zero chance that Lindzen published in the SPPI. He wouldn't be caught dead in that. Good luck.
New Definitions !!!
Hmmmmmmmm ... I guess that article proves that MIT stands for "Mighty Interesting Theory" !!!
Thanks, Mookie !!!
So, What Happened to ...
Obama's campaign speech which went something to the effect that if we could put a man on the moon, we can have CLEAN COAL ???
While I'm all for cleaning things up as much as possible, it is wrong to impose limitations on manufacturing without providing an alternative ... it's like slapping you dog every time he scratches but not giving him a flee collar !!!
We need to realize that if you place such restrictions on American manufacturers, those products will eventually be produced in China, or elsewhere in Asia or the 3rd World, and those jobs and tax revenue will be lost forever ... and no tariffs will ever compensate for that !!!
I firmly believe that we need to relocate towns to do away with dangerous mining in favour of strip mining to take advantage that we have a COAL reserve akin to the Middle East OIL reserves ... and @ the same time put all our efforts into developing CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY for our future generations !!!
Clean Coal
There is no clean coal. It does not exist. The only explanation I have for Obama's continual discussion of clean coal when running was winning Pennsylvania.
Chinese imports I imagine could be a problem, but on that subject I do not claim expertise, and refuse at this hour to look.
Better that the world agrees to a strategy, China included. Failing that, we need to act with Europe and the Japanese. Full stop.
Just because the neighbors decide to beat their wives, doesn't mean we should beat our wives as well.
No Clean Coal, eh ???
I'll admit I have not finished my research but you might be interested in this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7584151.stm
I learned a long time ago never to say "never" ...
No Clean Coal
I stand by the original comment
Your story says: "The latest estimates suggest CCS power will cost roughly the same as wind power - maybe 50% more than it does at the moment."
Your 50% more expensive project still includes one disaster, and two potential disasters on both sides of the process.
100% chance of disasters related to mining waste, mountain leveling, river pollution on the front end.
50% greater chance for the above based on a 50% increase in mining to make up for the losses processing the CO2
Unknown risk related to CO2 leakage or wholesale escape on the back end, unless the CO2 compressed is disposed at the bottom of the ocean.
(ocean bottom disposal seems pretty permanent, but the cost of compression is nuts)
Unknown risk related to ocean and ground water acidification.
Finally:
B.S. Alert: Only a 50% cost increase to extract the CO2, and compress and compress and compress the CO2, and dispose of the CO2 and monitor the disposal area??
Good luck with that.
If their best cost estimate is the same as wind..............why don't we just skip the middle man, and build thousands/millions of wind turbines PLUS research energy storage and demand management technologies? For example pumping water up a mountain when there's wind, and recovering that energy when there isn't. Some of these exist. Or creating and storing chemical energy (for example Hydrogen).....though again with that compression problem.
Continue research, because research is always good, but this is a bad path.
Sending my wife to my neighbor to be beaten is worse
If you are really interested in being "clean and green" then the goal should be to keep the manufacturing here, where we do a pretty good job of that. Enacting more policy that will drive more manufacturing to countries who don't care and then say "look at my neighbor, he beats his wife AND my wife, I am fantastic because I don't beat my wife" is beyond foolish.
hehehe
Mookie,
That is very very funny. Excellent reply. Will respond later.